tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4079934161985715000.post1572513327448606050..comments2023-07-23T17:04:05.956+02:00Comments on The frog that jumped out: 400 ppm: time for a communication tipping pointUgo Bardihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18231859786466899924noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4079934161985715000.post-11569621944637393542013-07-08T02:39:42.520+02:002013-07-08T02:39:42.520+02:00I think this idea of communication tipping points ...I think this idea of communication tipping points is at least something... we have to educate people as to what climate change really is... most people do not have a clue and do not believe it is happening or why it is happening... or even if they do, they do not understand anything about it... tipping points etc... they think we have time and they think they can keep living the life we have now... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4079934161985715000.post-48140530374157815632013-05-18T20:43:05.371+02:002013-05-18T20:43:05.371+02:00I think we are facing a global emergency and we ne...I think we are facing a global emergency and we need a global emergency response. (urgently) And if we (collectively) don't organize one, then we may as well stop talking and writing and blogging and just wait for the end. The link below spells out a possible response in general terms and also includes a couple of very good presentations made at the U.N. New York last month summarizing where we now stand. (one by Ian Dunlop and another one by Tapio Kanninen) <br /><br />http://www.clubofrome.org/?p=5984<br /><br />"Chapter six to seven: To turn things around, what kind of organization do we need?<br /> <br />...A major part of the book takes a look at what is needed, organizationally and structurally, if the worst-case projections, or some of them, come to pass. This is a vital subject that has not received attention. Most books on global sustainability and the future of the planet are silent on structural issues. The conclusions in chapters four, six and seven are that neither the present UN system, the G-20, nor other existing intergovernmental institutions have developed systematic and credible mechanisms to respond effectively to a global emergency.<br />.......Once the magnitude of the crisis is accepted by governments—which still takes a long time—an inclusive process should be initiated to completely revise the UN Charter. But as we also have to take immediate emergency measures, it is urgent to institute a sophisticated, inclusive and transparent network of local, regional and global crisis and sustainability centers to deal with the crisis in all of its aspects. A somewhat similar independent network has been created in the area of deadly conflicts and crises by the International Crisis Group (ICG)."<br /><br />And all I can add to the above is... I AGREE. But as always, the devil will be in the implementation details. And so far at least, that devil has been winning. <br /><br /> Max12345https://www.blogger.com/profile/12365889922647112795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4079934161985715000.post-26883006199468661112013-05-13T22:02:09.421+02:002013-05-13T22:02:09.421+02:00I'm not very confident in a communication tipp...I'm not very confident in a communication tipping point concerning climate change. In modern (commercial) communication, information is a product, a commodity. It has to be sold to the customers, naming readers and, mainly, advertisers.<br /><br />Mainstream media depend heavily on advertising, say more than 80% on average. And a big portion of this ads come from big companies, most of them energy, transport, and so on. And financial and banking. Financial companies, contrary to industrial companies, sell long term expectations, and they cannot allow people to think the future won't be better, say, more profitable.<br /><br />You need the permission of your advertisers to tell the truth to your readers, listeners or watchers (providing they want to know; remember we are in a market). I think you will never get it.<br /><br />So the communication system is locked in a state of 'soft' denial. Any repeated disgression will always end being strongly punished.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4079934161985715000.post-7739265469564956422013-05-12T15:08:47.217+02:002013-05-12T15:08:47.217+02:00Oh, what a tangled web we weave...Oh, what a tangled web we weave...Lucas Durandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12978045535093722565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4079934161985715000.post-20123811235693658772013-05-12T13:32:30.637+02:002013-05-12T13:32:30.637+02:00An additional comment:
It also is important (I ...An additional comment: <br /><br /> It also is important (I think) not to forget about "the evil twin" of atmospheric CO2 which is the CO2 which has dissolved and continues to dissolve in the oceans creating carbonic acid and raising ocean acidity. First in the colder waters of the Arctic but gradually everywhere else too. An important conference has just taken place in Bergen, Norway on this topic. The website for the conference is: http://www.cicero.uio.no/webnews/index_e.aspx?id=11903 and a very good article describing what took place there is here: http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/05/06<br /><br />The conference explains in sequence recent research in the Arctic region of a) the chemical effects b) the biological effects and c) the socio-economic effects...as well as the policy responses needed to maintain or augment the resiliency of various ecosystems (e.g. by not overfishing them) to better adapt to the increasing acidification of ocean waters. <br /><br />Another important thing to keep in mind regarding ever increasing ppm's of CO2 in the atmosphere is that the oceans have thus far absorbed about 50% of the CO2 emitted by man. But the rate of absorption is decreasing as concentrations of CO2 in ocean waters rise. This is also very likely to affect the rate of rise of ppms of CO2 in the atmosphere. It could be possible (I am sure someone must have calculated this) that even if the amount of CO2 being emitted into the atmosphere stays constant or decreases in the future that the net amount left in the atmosphere after partial absorption by the oceans is going to rise anyway. All of this points to "no more time to waste". Max12345https://www.blogger.com/profile/12365889922647112795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4079934161985715000.post-78205526226267951012013-05-12T13:16:21.033+02:002013-05-12T13:16:21.033+02:00I really like the idea of "communication tip...I really like the idea of "communication tipping points" for the communication sphere (or complex system) and maybe (hopefully) the number 400 will be one of those points ! Carrying the analogy a bit further what kind of positive feedback loops could we expect to see develop in the communications sphere or complex system and are there any ways to consciously bring them along or augment them or "spread them" throughout the broader "communication system"? (which as we know has many components of many kinds in many places) Max12345https://www.blogger.com/profile/12365889922647112795noreply@blogger.com